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DO NOT ORDER FACTORY REMOTE START


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#21 OFFLINE   Fitipaldi1

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Posted 23 January 2010 - 03:16 PM

Let me start by saying if you decide to try this at home, you are doing so at your own risk. I assumed the risk of messing up my $40k+ vehicle by attempting this, and you are assuming the same risk. It definitely worked for me, but I am making no claims or guarantees that it will work for you and/or won't break your vehicle. Do not attempt this if you are not comfortable assuming this risk...take it to a Ford dealer instead.

Two Quick Notes:

1) I don't have the need for MyKey so I didn't really investigate the conflict between remote start and MyKey. If you do need MyKey, please do not attempt this.
2) Please read and understand ALL of these instructions and the document linked below before starting.

Having said all that, the procedure is really very simple. You'll need a 7mm socket and your remote start fob (and a flashlight wouldn't hurt).

I have the factory Remote Start (RMST, my remote start fob matches the picture on page 28 of the doc linked below) so I printed pages 28-29 of the document linked below for reference. Definitely spend some time reading this entire document but be aware that it applies to ALL available remote start systems...all of the information may not apply to your specific installation. It is worth noting that there are some useful diagrams in the Vehicle Prep section, but I have taken some pictures (Below).

http://ww2.justanswe...042008_base.pdf

As you can see from reading the document, getting into programming mode is relatively simple...but where is that programming/override button? It's behind the dash below and to the left of the steering wheel.

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As you can see from the overview picture above, the green box is the approximate location of the programming/override button. The blue line outlines the panel that you need to remove to access the button, and the red arrows point to the approximate location of the 3 7mm bolts you need to remove in order to remove the panel. So, remove the bolts, then GENTLY remove the panel (I had to pop the hood and wiggle the hood release lever to get my panel to release, and there are additional (Reuseable) clips holding it place).

Now, you need to find the button. Here is a picture of what you're looking for:

From far away, looking under the sterring column shroud (Tilt wheel tilted all the way up). The button is circled in red...and the blue outline shows the other side of the same panel that gets removed for access.

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Zoomed in. Sorry for the quality, my camera just refused to get a clearer picture of this button.

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The button is wired to the remote start controller, but not physically mounted so you can move it around a little.

Lots of words, but it's really easy.

Now that you have accessed the programming/override button, the instructions are very easy...I followed them to the letter (page 28). In a nutshell:

1) Open the door, step on the brake, and turn the key to on or run
2) Hold the programming/override button for 10 seconds (The horn will chirp 3 times as indicated in the docs)
3) Then release the button
4) Press it again to enter program mode (The horn will chirp 4 times telling you it's ready to program bank 1...DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN BANK 1!!!)
5) Release the brake pedal.
6) Press the button again (The horn will chirp 5 times telling you it's ready to program bank 2...this is where we want to be)

As you can see, pressing the button cyles you through the banks. Pressing the Brake pedal cycles you through the options in each bank. Pressing the Remote Fob button toggles each option on or off. The default states are listed in the documentation. Here are the changes I made:

Change from long press to 2 presses to activate - Press and release the brake pedal 4 times to get to Option 4 (wait for the chirps between each press to confirm you are in option #4). Press and release the remote start fob button once to toggle out of 'long press' and into '2 presses' mode. Personal preference...I prefer to press the button twice instead of holding it down for 10 seconds.

Horn Honks - Press and release the brake pedal 6 times to get to Option 6 (Or only two times if you changed option 4 above). Wait for the chirps between each press to confirm you are in option #6. Press and release the remote start fob button once to toggle out of 'honk' and into 'no honk' mode. Personal preference...my garage is right under our master bedroom so remote starting now will not wake up my wife! Posted Image The down side to setting this option to 'no honk' is that you will not have a confirmation of the vehicle starting....other than the sound of the running engine and the headlights that light up.

And the one you've been waiting for (That's not listed in the doc)...

Door Open Shut Down - Press and release the brake pedal 7 times to get to Option 7 (Or only one times if you changed option 6 above). Wait for the chirps between each press to confirm you are in option #7. Press and release the remote start fob button once to toggle out of 'shut down' and into 'keep running' mode.


Once complete, just turn the ignition off to exit programming mode.

Now the test. Exit your vehicle (Close the hood if you had to pop it to remove the panel) and remote start your Flex. Unlock and enter and your Flex should still be running. Step on the brake pedal and your Flex should stall. Exit and remote start your Flex again. Unlock and enter and your Flex should still be running. Put your key in the ignition, turn it to run, then put your foot on the brake and it should keep running. Shift into gear and enjoy that sweet sweet ride. Posted Image (just kiding of course, you still need to re-assemble).

Once you have confirmed everything works as it should. Replace the panel you removed and enjoy your newly liberated Flex.

#22 OFFLINE   jrys

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 08:30 AM

I guess this goes under the heading of "NOTHING IS EASY".

I did the reprogramming to turn off the open door shut down feature and set the Remote Start run time to 15 min.

But we may still have a problem with the Remote Start.
I am still trying to find a workaround, but it seems that when I use the Remote Start and then get into my Flex when
it is still running and put the key in to keep the engine running and go on my way, the Bluetooth will not connect with
my phone. Even if I go into the phone settings and tell it to connect it will not. The only way I have found so far is to
turn the engine off and restart with the key, which kinda puts me back to square one.


UPDATE:

This problem will only happen if your Cell Phone is out of bluetooth range when you start the Flex with the Remote Start. Which for me is most of the time.

Edited by jrys, 24 January 2010 - 11:24 AM.


#23 OFFLINE   jrys

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Posted 24 January 2010 - 03:53 PM

The only way I can find to connect your phone to the Sync system when entering the Vehicle after a Remote Start (other than restarting the car) is to go into the Bluetooth Menu on my phone and force a connect to the Sync System. That seems like more trouble than restarting the Flex. I don't know why the sync system doesn't just connect to my phone as soon as it sees it when I enter the car. And yes I have my cell phone set as the favorite phone.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 03:10 AM

Well, I've apparently raised enough hell to get my dealer to disable the 'door open shut down feature'. However, the service manager wants my Flex for a full day so his electrical specialist can 'spend some quality time' finding the right procedure. Rather than derail my efforts to date, I agreed and told him I'd be back in contact when I could set aside a day.

My question is this...does anyone on this forum have access to ford service documentation and can point me to the right document/procedure/manual for disabling the shut down feature? I'm almost positive I can't do this on my own (Special equipment is apparently required) but I would at least like to be able to point the service tech to the right place so this (supposedly) 10 minute procedure doesn't end up costing me a day of waiting for the tech to locate the proper service procedure docs.

Any help or guidance is appreciated.


In you ford manual that you recieved with the vechile there is instructions to disable the MY KEY feature on the vechile. This will then make the remote start operate correctly. I did not do it myself but that is what the dealer told me they had done to fix the remote start. It only took them about 5 minutes to do this. I do not know why your dealer needs your vechile for a whole day.

#25 OFFLINE   Fitipaldi1

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 05:47 AM

In you ford manual that you recieved with the vechile there is instructions to disable the MY KEY feature on the vechile. This will then make the remote start operate correctly. I did not do it myself but that is what the dealer told me they had done to fix the remote start. It only took them about 5 minutes to do this. I do not know why your dealer needs your vechile for a whole day.



Actually, it tells you how to disable individual MyKeys (revert them back to Admin Keys), not how to disable the MyKey system. As far as I know, MyKey cannot be disabled 'system wide' as it's built in at a very low level. I can't be sure why they wanted an entire day, but I strongly suspect it's because they needed time to search for and locate the right procedure as I did. I'm just glad I didn't have to waste a day (Or part of a day) sitting in a dealer's waiting room.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 05:50 AM

Actually, it tells you how to disable individual MyKeys (revert them back to Admin Keys), not how to disable the MyKey system. As far as I know, MyKey cannot be disabled 'system wide' as it's built in at a very low level. I can't be sure why they wanted an entire day, but I strongly suspect it's because they needed time to search for and locate the right procedure as I did. I'm just glad I didn't have to waste a day (Or part of a day) sitting in a dealer's waiting room.


Though it only took my dealer about 5 minutes to disable it maybe they already knew about the procedure and had the same complaints before.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 05:54 AM

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 12:09 PM

I know why Ford did this, note in the memo the word Security. This prevents theft of the car by turning off the motor so you need to use the key to start it normally. It is possible that someone figured out how to drive one of these away by triggering the remote start and bypassing the ignition. :shrug: They wont put that information into a memo since it may get out(actually it did since it was posted here), and that information could cause mucho harm to Ford.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 12:56 PM

My understanding is that Ford does not want the "door open shutdown" feature to be removed because that would allow the MyKey feature to be bypassed.
The car reads the key at startup, so if you start with the remote start, then enter the car (this is without the open door shutdown) and put a MyKey programmed key in the ignition and go on your way, the car will not know it is a MyKey key.

Edited by jrys, 12 February 2010 - 08:07 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2010 - 01:11 PM

I guess that could be considered a liability issue for Ford. Isn't the MyKey a programmed key that can disable or limit things on the car for certain drivers, or am I confusing that with something else?

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 01:23 PM

I guess that could be considered a liability issue for Ford. Isn't the MyKey a programmed key that can disable or limit things on the car for certain drivers, or am I confusing that with something else?

Yes, that is what it is.

Edited by jrys, 12 February 2010 - 01:23 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2010 - 01:47 PM

I guess if the system cant detect the key, then the mykey can be bypassed and become a liability issue, so they are doing this to protect them from a lawsuit if someones kid warps it around a tree because his mykey wasn't preventing him from speeding. Makes sense.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 01:59 PM

Actually, I think there is a deeper issue with MyKey and the remote start. All of the comments that have been posted here do make sense, but your remote start fob is just another key to the PATS system...and a key that can be either an Admin key or a MyKey. So in theory, you could program the remote start fob to be a MyKey and avoid the liability issue described above. In fact, the remote start manual suggests you do just that...program the fob as a MyKey.

BTW, you can't drive off a remote started vehicle...it shuts off when the brake is pressed, which is required to shift out of Park.



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Posted 12 February 2010 - 02:22 PM

Actually, I think there is a deeper issue with MyKey and the remote start. All of the comments that have been posted here do make sense, but your remote start fob is just another key to the PATS system...and a key that can be either an Admin key or a MyKey. So in theory, you could program the remote start fob to be a MyKey and avoid the liability issue described above. In fact, the remote start manual suggests you do just that...program the fob as a MyKey.

BTW, you can't drive off a remote started vehicle...it shuts off when the brake is pressed, which is required to shift out of Park.

When you install the remote start system you install a transponder key emulator (for lack of a better term) around the ignition switch.
I think that is what you would be programming, not the fob. The Fob would be way to far away to act as a transponder key.
Programming the remote start as a MyKey is not a viable solution to being able to bypass the MyKey feature, because if you did
that then everyone who started the car with the remote start would be limited to the restrictions you setup in the MyKey programming.
And since I am a big believer in "do as I say not as I do", I would not want to have to drive the way I would setup the MyKey for a young driver.

BTW, If you reread my post you will see that I did not say that you can drive off in a remote started vehicle without putting a key into it first.

Edited by jrys, 12 February 2010 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2010 - 06:45 AM

This really sucks my as I was kinda unaware my car had my key it was no where on the window sticker or invoice .I have no kids and no use for my key. I find it a pain that the car shuts down how much harm is this doing to our vehicles ? Seems like a lot of over use of the starter. And I understand the worse thing for a car is the start up and we are doing it twice.. Ford better get a fix then again if they have the Toyota gas peddle problem you can just open the door and stop the car

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:32 AM

Thanks for that nice tutorial!!

I did some programming on my 2010 Ecoboost Flex (remote start operation) this morning.

I read the PDF document you provided. I finally found the (programming/override button). One thing not mention in the tutorial is that on the same "wires bundle" there is a LED light that tells you if you've selected the option on or off.
When I began the programming I think I messed up, I kind of being lost in all those "chirps", and I think I reset all the options in the 2nd bank by holding the "transmitter button". I tried to start the Flex after that and it wouldn't, I would just heard 5 chirps but no start... I finally manage to make it work by selecting the 1st option of the 2nd bank at "on" (tachless mode). But I don't know if the Flex comes with that option off? Everything seems to work, I can start the car, open the door, put the key in, turn it to the start position, press on the brake pedal, and the car still rolls. I selected the 15 minutes option, and the horn to off.

Here is my settings (can somebody confirm me that the "tachless mode" is "on"...)

Bank2

1-Tachless mode: On (LED light on)
2-tachless timing: On
3-car start run time: On
4-press&hold start: Off
5-Diesel Timer: Off
6-Horn honk on Start: Off
7-Door open shut down: Curiously, now even if it is set to On or Off, I'm able to open the door and the car is still running?

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Posted 22 May 2010 - 03:22 PM

Ford's factory remote start has a feature called 'door open shut down' which has been discussed in several topics. Effective MY 2010, this feature cannot be disabled so you will not be able to remote start, unlock and open your door, insert your key, turn to the run position, and drive off. After remote starting, your engine will shut down as soon as you open the door (Or insert your key if you are already in the car).

There are several reports of dealer installed remote starts providing this functionality but the factory remote start can no longer have the door open shut down feature disabled.


I don't have this feature, so I really don't understand the situation. Are you saying that after you use remote start, the engine shuts down when you open the door? Will it not restart when you insert your key? If it will, what is the problem with restarting with the key? In 50 years of driving, I've never worn out a starter from overuse.

I'm not being a smart alec, I just don't understand the problem.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 05:35 AM

I don't have this feature, so I really don't understand the situation. Are you saying that after you use remote start, the engine shuts down when you open the door? Will it not restart when you insert your key? If it will, what is the problem with restarting with the key? In 50 years of driving, I've never worn out a starter from overuse.

I'm not being a smart alec, I just don't understand the problem.



Wow, in 50 years youve never had a starter go out? Im only 30 and have replaced starters in 2 vehicles...

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 12:31 PM

UPDATE:

After some careful internet searching, I found the procedure and have fixed my remote start. Thank you very much Ford, but it's MY FLEX now, not yours. Posted Image

FYI, in addition to changing the run time from 10 to 15 minutes, you can also disable the horn honking (Great for those early morning starts) and switch from 1 long press to a double press to initiate the remote start.



would you be willing to share that info....i am 65 have no kids and want my car to start like my husbands 2010 sport trac

#40 OFFLINE   munnybunni

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 12:37 PM

Though it only took my dealer about 5 minutes to disable it maybe they already knew about the procedure and had the same complaints before.





cant someone just post how to tell the dealer how to disable this thing.....i want to take mine to the dealer and have them do it as my husband is disabled and cannot do it






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